Moonbat Outreach

Update Sunday afternoon: Because of a busy day, I haven't been able to articulate my position here as well as I'd like. Instead I'd like to point to someone that could do a much better job. Her name is Tammy Bruce. She is a former leader of the LA chapter of the National Organization for Women. She's a feminist, lesbian, gun owner, former activist and talkshow host. With her experience she's been able to write the book "The Death Of Right and Wrong" outlining all of the ways that the left has co-opted the concept of right and wrong for their own gains. That is the point that I'm trying to make with my post. It's an excellent read. Please have a look at either her website or the book for further information.

Yesterday I set up the trampoline for the kids. I followed the instructions. Assembled the frame making sure the connections were tight. Made sure there were no holes or defects in the mat. Installed the springs in the required order. Checked the whole thing for level. Tested it prior to letting the kids play on it. I know it seems pretty mundane but, it's the perfect opening for today's installment of the Moonbat Outreach. This week I visited "sinister thoughts" where the owner was commenting on how the liberals lied about BMD. What follows are the posts from the comment section:

"I'm sorry, did you just realize that Martin lies to moonbats as well. That's got to be reaking havoc inside the 'ol NDP bubble.Richard Evans Homepage 04.23.05 - 12:21 pm #

Oh, I realized Richard, I realized.Greg Homepage 04.23.05 - 12:52 pm #

Richard, you seem to want to lump in all Liberals and NDPers under the same lefty banner -- possibly so as to make it easier for you to dismiss anyone who disagrees with your viewpoint. I'm frankly surprised that somebody who supposedly believes in the rights of individuals to think for themselves doesn't realize that there is plenty of room for individuals to come to different conclusions and still be reasonable people.Greg has been consistent in his distrust and criticism of the Liberal party. He sees them as being too right-wing for his taste. I can see no reason why you should taunt him about bursting his "bubble", unless you're just here to make trouble.You shouldn't make so many assumptions about real people, Richard. From your comments, you're showing a level of disdain towards Greg that he does not deserve. Unlike others, he has not sought a fight with you. He is a reasonable man, as intelligent as you are, but he just happens to think differently.And doing so in our democracy does not make him a fool or a rogue.If you want to argue specific ideas or policies, Greg will be happy to oblige. But if you continue to, as it seems, make this personal, you're only highlighting your inability to argue according to the facts.James Bow Homepage 04.24.05 - 12:22 am #

Well James, I'd have to disagree. You see, I make my judgements based on right and wrong. There are differences of opinion, yes but only one can be truly right. I will not celebrate an opinion simply because it's different. If it's wrong I'll point it out. If it's right I'll point that out as well. In fact James, I'm going to use your post above as an example of one that is wrong and I'll explain why. You'll see it on my site later this afternoon. "If you want to argue specific ideas or policies, Greg will be happy to oblige."I am debating / addressing a specific issue James. That issue is the Lib-Left mentality. I don't know if you've followed my posts at all James or if you have you haven't been paying attention. I base all of my arguments on facts. Stop by later and see for yourself.Richard Evans Homepage 04.24.05 - 10:53 am #

I agree Richard that we needn't celebrate each other's opinion. We just need to respect each other enough to accept that even though wrong, the other has a fundamental right to their opinion. So, fire away, but cut out the moonbat stuff. You are better than that.Greg Homepage 04.24.05 - 12:54 pm #

Richard, there may be right and wrong answers for every question, but it's not true to say that there's only ever one right answer in issues as complex as politics. It's certainly arrogant to believe that one is right all or most of the time. We are all struggling through a life-long test, and nobody has supplied us with a manual.This applies to me as well as to you. And for that reason, you will never see me call you a moonbat, a wingnut, a Nazi, fascist or other valueless insult. I will never dismiss any ideology as being utterly without merit -- except in cases where they leave open no ability to compromise.I have largely been okay with the government we've received in Ontario throughout my lifetime, even as we swung from the NDP's Bob Rae to the Tories' Mike Harris. Both individuals did what they could under challenging circumstances. Both have made mistakes, but both got some things right.The options of applicable political thought are a lot wider than you think they are. Because politics is nothing more than a bunch of individuals struggling to decide how to use a limited set of resources to serve the needs of as many individuals as possible. We all have roughly the same set of skills. So I am not going to stoop to insult or deride other individuals who think differently. I'll argue only the possible consequences of their policies. Not the individuals' mentality in advocating them.James Bow Homepage 04.24.05 - 2:03 pm #

Richard,"Well James, I'd have to disagree. You see, I make my judgements based on right and wrong. There are differences of opinion, yes but only one can be truly right."I disagree completely. The most complex problems in life - many of which play out in politics, are often shades of grey. These morale dillemmas have never been decisively solved (except in the heads of close-minded individuals) precisely because their rightness and wrongness is in flux, or impossible to determine.Real life isn't as simple as "right" and "wrong" unless you're willing to pigeon-hole the world into ill-fitted boxes, and consider nothing outside of them. It's just not that easy.I don't claim to know what value system (or ad hoc version thereof) you follow, however there is no perfect moral system that can answer every problem all of the time.Andrew Homepage 04.24.05 - 2:35 pm # "

So it's all relative is it? Had I set the trampoline up with that attitude there would be springs missing, I wouldn't have cared if the frame wasn't level or connected properly. I wouldn't have checked for holes in the mat. Why would I? The instructions are someone's opinion and all that really matters is how "I FEEL".

I would assert that my children would be in grave danger had those two set up my trampoline.

Lets transfer their attitude to the real world. To society. Are we not responsible as adults to properly set up the infrastructure or web of society that will keep future generations from hitting the ground? I admit that we don't have instructions as I did with the trampoline, but we do have the example of those who came before us. Is it not prudent to look back, determine what worked and what didn't and then press on with what worked? (socialism and modern liberalism continually fail)

Not if we're Andrew and James. They would have us determine a course of action based on how we "feel" because right and wrong is "subjective" and because we may have limited resources. Try and tell that to your kids when the trampoline breaks fellas.

It should be noted that I don't disagree with trying new things. In fact I'm all for it. I do think however that the tests should be performed in a controlled environment. Currently, the lib-left are performing their tests on society as a whole with disastrous results.

PS James: The left generally refers to people like me as fascist, hate monger, intolerant and heartless (psssttt... I'm a big boy and can take it...). Until that changes I will continue to use the term Moonbat in reference to the left.

I'm tight for time right now but I'll try to expand on my thoughts a little more later.